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May 19, 2025 by BHP Leave a Comment

Interdependence: between independence and dependence

Why interdependence is a healthy middle ground for mental and emotional wellness

How often do you hear people encouraging others to be ‘independent’ and ‘self-reliant’? Maybe you’ve even been that person trying to motivate someone to ‘stand on your own two feet’ and ‘try not to lean on others’.

Sentiments like this might be expressed when there seems to be an extreme level of dependence. Looking to others to always meet our needs can be familiar and comfortable, but it can also prevent personal growth and foster feelings of inadequacy. Even if we have legitimate needs that require us to depend on others, being informed and making your own choices can greatly enhance the experience of relying on other people.

On the opposite end of the spectrum is the concept of independence. The Cambridge dictionary defines it as ‘the ability to live your life without being helped or influenced by other people.’ While the idea of not needing others can be appealing, especially when trust has been broken or past relationships have let us down, excessive independence can lead to isolation, stress, and burnout. Though we all benefit from achieving success on our own at times, we may start to feel alone if we neglect to build and maintain healthy relationships.

Finding a balance between dependence and independence can be challenging, but the concept of interdependence offers a healthy middle ground.

Interdependence: no man is an island

We know, from both observation and scientific research, that no living thing on Earth can exist in complete isolation. Bees need flowers for pollen, plants rely on bees for pollination, soil requires plants for microbial health, and plants need soil for nutrients… and so on.

Interdependence describes a balanced, healthy reliance on others without total dependence and with give and take. It allows for stepping away and coming back together with trust and mutual respect. The 17th-century poet John Donne famously said, ‘No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.’ His words emphasise the significance of our connection to others and the world around us.

The psychiatrist Donald Winnicott echoed this in his work with parents and infants, stating, ‘There is no such thing as an infant, meaning, of course, that whenever one finds an infant, one finds maternal care, and without maternal care there would be no infant.’ Winnicott highlighted the ideal bond between mother and child, suggesting that they cannot conceptually exist without each other. He believed this connection shapes the future relational experiences of the infant.

John Bowlby, the psychiatrist who pioneered attachment theory, also spoke to this, explaining that early relationships teach us how to form secure bonds later in life. A ‘secure base’ in relationships enables us to explore the world safely, with a stable place to return to when things become difficult, or we need rest and connection. This can be harder to develop in adulthood if it was not established in childhood.

Despite what can seem to be an emphasis on independence in our society, many social care and mental health services recognise the importance of relationships and connection in healing trauma and fostering fulfilling lives. One example of this in relation to interdependence is in therapeutic communities, designed for individuals often living with emotional distress and severe mental health challenges. These communities emphasise relational treatment, and the repair of early relational trauma through the experience of being with, doing with and, often, living with others. This, sometimes complex and difficult therapeutic process, creates space for belonging, connection and hope as members navigate conflict and care for one another through careful boundary setting and reflection. It offers an opportunity to relearn the value of healthy, supportive relationships.

I’ve witnessed first hand, in my work, how people can transform when they move from an isolated, independent, or dependent state to one of interdependence. Through this shift, individuals learn to establish and maintain boundaries, while fostering mutually supportive relationships and a sense of belonging. This approach can also be applied to social groups, workplaces, and families. Workplaces can even cultivate a resilient and secure workforce by nurturing a culture of interdependence.

Reflecting on your own relationship with independence and dependence

It can be helpful to reflect on your own patterns of independence and dependence by considering these questions:

  • Do you allow others to help you, and can you ask for help?
  • Do you prioritise helping others over helping yourself?
  • How do you cope when others are not around?
  • How could you cultivate more interdependent relationships in your life?
  • What do you offer others, and what do you truly need from them?

The answers to these questions may surprise you. You might find that some of your behaviours are rooted in deeper beliefs you have or experiences from the past. You might also identify areas where you want to make changes. If these questions stir up feelings of uncertainty or discomfort, it could be helpful to explore them further, whether on your own or, in the spirit of interdependence, with the support of others, to better understand and navigate these challenges.

 

Kirsty Toal is an experienced psychotherapist with a decade spent offering therapy, training and clinical supervision in a variety of settings. Kirsty offers short- and long-term psychodynamic and psychoanalytic psychotherapy to adults, in person in Lewes and online.

 

Further reading by Kirsty Toal

Understanding and managing the ‘green eyed-monster’

To be creative as an adult

Filed Under: Attachment, Kirsty Toal, Mental health, Relationships Tagged With: Mental Health, Relationships, self-care

March 17, 2025 by BHP 2 Comments

Understanding and managing the ‘green-eyed monster’

As a psychotherapist, I sometimes encounter individuals struggling with the unsettling emotion of envy. While we might visualise the ‘green-eyed monster’ and make light of it, it can sometimes grow into a significant problem.

The socio-economic context 

Many of us face anxieties over whether what we have is enough. Today, even those who once felt financially secure are becoming more mindful of their spending, while those with more limited resources are stretched beyond their means, often to the point of poverty. Amidst this, we’re constantly bombarded with messages that we need more, the latest, and to seek some kind of perfection, especially from social media. This pursuit can leave us feeling dissatisfied, anxious, lacking, and often envious of others who seem to have what we desire.

The roots and impact of envy 

At its worst, envy can manifest as anger, resentment, and hatred towards others. It projects our unmet needs onto those who seem to have everything. This can lead to feelings of injustice, unworthiness, and resentment, fuelling negative beliefs about ourselves. It can be particularly confusing and distressing if we feel envy towards those we love, admire and care for.

These feelings often correlate with our childhood experiences of having our needs met. Envy, in its most basic form, reflects the mother and baby dynamic. Melanie Klein, a prominent psychoanalyst, described infant envy as a painful and powerful emotion marked by fury and hatred, where the mother has what the baby wants (care and nourishment), but it is not always instantly available so feels withheld from the baby.

Envy in mythology

Even the Greek goddess Aphrodite was envious of Psyche, a mortal whose incredible beauty shook Aphrodite’s sense of self. In hatred, she sent her son Eros to kill Psyche, but he fell in love with her instead. Aphrodite’s envy fuelled continuing efforts to cause Psyche great suffering in order to restore her own status and sense of superiority.

Envy and jealousy

It’s important to distinguish between envy and jealousy. Envy usually involves two people, while jealousy involves three and often relates to a baby’s desire to be the favoured one in a family unit, sometimes wanting to come between two parents. While both can be destructive, jealousy can be more helpful as it relates to our need for relationships and self-connection. Aphrodite likely experienced jealousy and loss as well as envy when her son favoured Psyche over her.

Envy and narcissism

Those deeply wounded and lacking in their upbringing may develop a false persona, seeking status and power to feel valuable, which can be deemed narcissistic.

Encountering someone with higher status can disturb their sense of self, creating immense fear and anxiety. They may blame the other person for their misery, viewing them as something to be hated. We all carry narcissistic wounds from early life when care might have been lacking or delayed, even if it was usually satisfactory. When our sense of self is threatened, we become vulnerable to envy, and this can happen
to all of us.

Managing envy

Understanding and managing envy can help emotional wellbeing. Chronic envy feels unbearable, and those affected often go to great lengths to relieve the pain. Many people find relief in religion, spiritual beliefs or community to feel valuable and worthy. There are many ways to foster a secure sense of self, usually involving
building healthy relationships with others and the self.

In therapy, through exploring self-awareness, understanding emotions, and examining relationships, you can begin to ease overwhelming feelings of envy. Envy can sometimes be unconsciously projected onto the therapist, as well as others, creating complex dynamics. This not unusual and building an understanding of these projections can address underlying feelings of inadequacy and deprivation. Everyone has a unique experience of envy, and everyone will find their own way of understanding what it means to them.

 

Kirsty Toal is an experienced psychotherapist with a decade spent offering therapy, training and clinical supervision in a variety of settings. Kirsty offers short- and long-term psychodynamic and psychoanalytic psychotherapy to adults, in person in Lewes and online.

 

Further reading by Kirsty Toal – 

To be creative as an adult

Filed Under: Kirsty Toal, Relationships, Society Tagged With: Envy, jealousy, Relationships

November 11, 2024 by BHP Leave a Comment

To be creative as an adult

To some, the suggestion of being creative conjures exciting ideas of creating art, music and stories. To others it invokes a sense of dread, with a belief that creativity must be accompanied by a special talent, accomplishment and validation from others. This could be from negative experiences of art or music, for example in childhood, from never having had much opportunity to be creative, or other experiences that may make expressing yourself feel difficult.

To play

One of the best ways to think about creativity, and how it helps us, is to consider children playing. To play is to allow ourselves to explore and make sense of the world, bringing ideas, memories, thoughts and feelings to life. It is to imagine, to find meaning, symbols and metaphors in objects and environments, in ourselves and in the people around us.

A young child faced with paint and a blank sheet of paper will probably not hesitate to allow themselves to draw, smear, splash and dab playfully, as they desire. Hand them a musical instrument and they will make noise, (sometimes a lot of noise!), without necessarily following a tune. At this early stage we are interacting with the world, making meaning and moving from one thought or action to the next, often with another person. This is dynamic and creates movement, growth, new neural pathways and even impacts on how we build relationships. At a young age, this playful creativity is essential in our early brain development, but play in adulthood also helps to keep our brains healthy on a neurobiological level. There are many contemporary scientific studies showing how creative activity activates different parts of the brain and keeps us healthy, as well as studies on the importance of play in child development. This backs up what theorists like psychiatrist/psychoanalyst D.W. Winnicott proposed, in their work on child development in the mid-twentieth century.

Feeling the benefits

We all have the potential to be creative in different ways, it is a human characteristic. Apart from the scientific evidence, we can really feel the benefits of allowing creative activity into our lives. It may be through music, storytelling, writing, art making, cooking, gardening, dancing or any number of other pursuits that use creative thinking. In creative activity we can find an escape and a safe place to exist in times of difficulty, we can be expressive or mindful, we can regulate our emotions, pay ourselves attention, communicate an idea, and feel productive and have a sense of worth.

Creativity in psychotherapy

With my earlier training being in art psychotherapy, I have seen many adults, faced with a blank sheet of paper, feeling anxiety and self-judgement, even those who may consider themselves accomplished artists. It can feel exposing and similar to embarking on any type of therapy for the first time.

Your ability to control what you reveal of yourself (unconscious and conscious parts), can be challenged when you allow yourself to be creative, but with a therapist you feel you can trust, it can be very helpful and sometimes even transformative.

Creative thinking is not only for specific creative therapies, it comes through in talking therapy too, through the narratives we tell, the metaphors we use and the ways we solve problems and find new ways of thinking with another person. You might recognise yourself in a character in a Greek myth, or in an episode of your
favourite Netflix series, and want to explore that, or you might imagine a new life for yourself, take a new perspective on your past experiences or want to understand a dream you’ve had. The opportunities for creative thinking when it comes to your own development are truly endless.

When it feels too difficult

It can feel unsafe to allow yourself to think creatively. This can happen if you have had difficult experiences in your life that you have not had the opportunity to process, or you may not be sure why you feel this way. Your brain might be protecting you from something that feels painful. If this is the case, it could be worth thinking about it with a therapist you trust to help you to explore things at your own pace in a way that feels safer.

Why foster your creativity?

  • Conscious and unconscious emotions can be expressed and acknowledged where otherwise they might remain stuck, or expressed in unhealthy or less productive ways.
  • We can reveal things about ourselves and find ourselves in places we didn’t expect to be with new ideas emerging from within us. This can be life changing and lead us into new opportunities.
  • You don’t have to become ‘good’ at something, you just need some space for your thoughts and feelings to be expressed/explored. The value can be in the process as well as the final product.
  • For the enjoyment of creating for the sake of creating, with no judgement from yourself or anyone else.

So, make up songs, draw in your notebook, start a project, stack some pebbles on the beach. Allow yourself to create something without judgement and find what feels good for you.

 

Kirsty Toal is an experienced psychotherapist with a decade spent offering therapy, training and clinical supervision in a variety of settings. Kirsty offers short- and long-term psychodynamic and psychoanalytic psychotherapy to adults, in person in Lewes and online.

Filed Under: Child development, Kirsty Toal, Psychotherapy Tagged With: anxiety, Child development, creative

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